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 Post subject: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:04 am 
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Randy Johnson leads the league in ERA, strikeouts and WHIP, the best measures of a pitcher's effectiveness. Yet because he pitches for one of the worst teams in baseball, he is 12-13. Does he deserve the Cy Young Award? Anybody know if a pitcher with a losing record ever got the award?


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:55 am 
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I searched and searched and searched. The only guy who has ever won the Cy Young with a losing record is Eric Gagne last year with a 2-3 record and 55 saves. <p>The starter with the worst record who won it is Randy Jones in 1976. He had a 22-14 record.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:07 am 
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WHIP?


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:58 am 
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Walks + Hits divided by Innings Pitched = WHIP


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:19 pm 
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People used to make the same argument for Nolan Ryan. Don't know whether he ever had a big year with a losing record, but he had some around .500 on mediocre teams when his other stats were good.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:11 pm 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ADKbrown:
Does he deserve the Cy Young Award?<hr></blockquote><p>I think he does. Who has been a better pitcher? <p>Wins are an overrated statistic for pitchers. When you consider unearned runs (usually the result of errors) and offensive support (or lack therof), a pitcher is only partly responsible for his wins. At least, when he pitches like Randy Johnson, he's only partly responsible. <p>Obviously, it's a little different if a pitcher's giving up three or four runs every time he goes out and pitches five or six innings.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 4:44 pm 
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Roger Clemens has been stellar, and if the Astros make the playoffs--regardless of how far they go--I think he will get the nod over Johnson.<p>Clemens is 16-4 with a 3.19 ERA, and even though I haven't paid close attention to what the Astros have done this year, I do know that he could already be a 20-game winner if he had had some offensive support.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by wordygurdy:
Roger Clemens has been stellar, and if the Astros make the playoffs--regardless of how far they go--I think he will get the nod over Johnson.<p>Clemens is 16-4 with a 3.19 ERA, and even though I haven't paid close attention to what the Astros have done this year, I do know that he could already be a 20-game winner if he had had some offensive support.<hr></blockquote><p>Yeah, Clemens has a real good shot, given his won-lost record. That's what seems to impress the voters most.


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 Post subject: Re: Big Unit & Cy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 3:28 pm 
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You all (and the voters, too, I assume) are neglecting Johnson's perfect game back in May against the (at that point) fledgling Braves, who have ended up pasting everyone in their division. I would weigh that pretty heavily against Clemens. It's only the 17th perfect game in the history of MLB. He also had 13 strikeouts during that performance.


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