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ADKbrown	Post subject: Veto power Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:12 am
Joined: Tue Apr 09, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 1286 Location: Saranac Lake, N.Y.	In spring training, Giambi looked sturdy and Martinez sometimes looked finished. Now, it is the other way around. Giambi, for the moment, is a bench player batting .195. Before the game, Torre, General Manager Brian Cashman and Giambi discussed the idea of sending Giambi to the minors, which he rejected. -- NYT *Does Giambi really have veto power in this situation? If so, does it strike you as odd that a .195 hitter can refuse to go to the minors even if the manager thinks that is best for the hitter and the team?*
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Wayne Countryman	Post subject: Re: Veto power Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 10:56 am
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 1775 Location: Baltimore	A player could have a clause in his contract giving him veto power over such a demotion. I don't know about Giambi's contract. My guess would be that he just doesn't want to go. He's not the first to balk. Willie Mays got sent down early during his rookie year. He hit about .500 with power for a month, then came back and tore up the National League. Just a matter of getting his confidence back. He's been candid about this, calling it a good move for which he was thankful. Veterans in particular don't like going down to the minors unless it's publicized as a rehab assignment after an injury. Torre and Cashman probably would love to motivate the team by showing who's boss. Do the Yankees have anyone good to bring up? They got rid of Nick Johnson--their star first baseman of the future. Can Sierra play well enough there when Tino slumps or needs to rest this summer? Of course, there's always The Boss to contend with. Will be interesting to see who prevails--George, Torre/Cashman, or Giambi/agent. Maybe Steinbrenner will throw money at Mark McGwire during the All-Star break. Or have A-Rod play first. Or Randy Johnson. Or maybe Giambi will get his act together--I wouldn't give up on him yet. If I were a Yankee fan I'd wouldn't be happy with him, though. He owes the team.
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KyleJRM	Post subject: Re: Veto power Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:01 pm
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:03 pm Posts: 103 Location: Illinois	All players with a certain amount of service time in the majors (I think 5 years) have to give consent before being sent to the minors.
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Matthew Grieco	Post subject: Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:14 pm
Joined: Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:01 am Posts: 2266 Location: New Jersey	Kyle is correct. As part of the CBA, a 5-year veteran cannot be optioned to the minors without his consent. However, Giambi CAN be sent to the minors outright, even without his consent, if he clears waivers first. Given that no team is likely to claim Giambi's seven-year, gajillion-dollar contract, he would certainly clear waivers if the Yankees were to choose this method (which, in my humble opinion, they should).
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Wayne Countryman	Post subject: Re: Veto power Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:43 pm
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 1775 Location: Baltimore	KyleJRM wrote: All players with a certain amount of service time in the majors (I think 5 years) have to give consent before being sent to the minors. Thanks. I forgot that.
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