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 Post subject: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:36 pm 
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Most of us spend the majority of our work day staring at a square computer screen. (Poynter)<p>***No, we don't.***


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:40 pm 
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I find it amusing that "The Design Desk" suggests drawing pages on paper.<p>Sketching can also save time. Once the idea is down on paper transferring it to the computer is easy, and allows more time for engaging storytelling.<p>Image<p>***"It's so much simpler on paper! Now, on to engaging storytelling!" (Tip: You can save even more time by using a pencil instead of markers of different colors.)***<p>[ June 29, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]</p>


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:45 pm 
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The "Magic of Sketching!" Why didn't anyone think of that decades ago?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:07 pm 
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Also, before using a digital camera to make photos for publication, take a few Polaroid snapshots to check such things as lighting and composition.


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:28 pm 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
Most of us spend the majority of our work day staring at a square computer screen. (Poynter)<p>***No, we don't.***<hr></blockquote><p>I've never seen a square computer screen. Perhaps <a href="http://phillipblanchard.com/toys.jpg">this reference</a> will help the people at Poynter avoid such errors.


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:50 pm 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
I find it amusing that "The Design Desk" suggests drawing pages on paper.<p>Sketching can also save time. Once the idea is down on paper transferring it to the computer is easy, and allows more time for engaging storytelling.<p>[[ June 29, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]<hr></blockquote><p>To put it mildly, it's design
that I would send back for rethink. Sketches are unnecessary but a good technique to know. I will on ocassion draw a layout on the back of a coaster on those rare instances when a quiet ale proves inspirational.


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:45 am 
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There's a discussion on sketching layouts going on over at visualeditors.com.
For the record, I don't sketch news pages or "template" feature pages unless I'm just drawing a quick mud map for the page editor to send him or her away happy so I can get on with it.
On complicated features pages involving a lot of elements, or on double page photo spreads, I often do rough something out on paper first.<p>BP (before pagination), all page layouts were drawn on paper so the comps would know how to do the paste-up. Nothing wrong with doing it now, as long as it doesn't take up all of your production time.<p>Even without a ruler and a sketchpad, I can tell that my screen isn't square. Must be all that visualisation practice I got in before WYSIWIG was available.<p>[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: Lee ]</p>


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:58 am 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lee:
<p>BP (before pagination), all page layouts were drawn on paper so the comps would know how to do the paste-up.
[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: Lee ]
<hr></blockquote><p>Tell me more!!!!!<p>[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: Bumfketeer ]</p>


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:52 am 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lee:
BP (before pagination), all page layouts were drawn on paper so the comps would know how to do the paste-up. [June 30, 2004: Message edited by: Lee ]<hr></blockquote><p>Imagine that!<p>[ June 30, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]</p>


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:13 pm 
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*BULLETIN*<p>Poynter Reinvents
Proportion Wheel!<p>


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:21 pm 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SeaRaven:
[b]*BULLETIN*<p>Poynter Reinvents
Proportion Wheel!<p>
[/b]<hr></blockquote><p>Can you ask 'em to reinvent an em ruler, too? A metal one...?


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:46 pm 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lee:
<p>Can you ask 'em to reinvent an em ruler, too? A metal one...?<hr></blockquote>
We dinosaurs still have them, with markings for 8pt ems, 10pt ems, 12pt ems and, even more fossilfiled, inches.


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Paul Wiggins:

We dinosaurs still have them, with markings for 8pt ems, 10pt ems, 12pt ems and, even more fossilfiled, inches.
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Do you still take the chinograph and draw a diagonal rule across your "square" computer screen to work out pic sizes?


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:08 pm 
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OK confession time. I used to use one of those projecting boxes to mark up outlines for four-colour work that in those days was sent from New Zealand to Singapore to get done.
One also recalls a quartet of musicians called the Beatles.


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr> I guess all I can say is thank god for WYSIWIG. I probably won't have gone into newspaper design if I started back in the days of pasteup. <hr></blockquote>
Written by someone at VisualEditors.com<p>I suppose that 15 or 20 years, this designer will be reminiscing about "the olden days, when we actually had to use this thing called a mouse to do stuff on the computer..."


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 Post subject: Re: Get out those rulers
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:00 pm 
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What I find saddest about the whole thing, having worked the pencil-and-stick thing, is than an entire trade (and a good one) was wiped out by pagination.


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