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 Post subject: y'all getting any Reagan rumors?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:42 pm 
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We're getting rumblings on this coast that his end may be near.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tom mangan:
We're getting rumblings on this coast that his end may be near.<hr></blockquote><p>I figure AP will say something if he dies.


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Thanks for the heads-up.


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We're hearing similar, but then again we heard the same thing two weeks ago, so who knows.


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Now Reagan's spokespeople are saying nothing's changed. False alarm apparently.


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When I was at the Knight Ridder Washington Bureau in the summer of 2002, they had me spend several days updating all of their stale Reagan obit material, because his death was "any day now."<p>Of course, if he really does die, it'll be fun to look at KR material and find stuff I wrote more than a year after I left the business. Except that it's stale again, probably.


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We heard Ron Jr. was flying in from Hawaii and that something was going down. That's all.


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PARIS (AP) -- Former President Ronald Reagan's health has deteriorated, the White House has been told. The White House was informed that the 93-year-old former president's health had changed significantly in the past several days, a person familiar with Reagan's condition said Saturday...<p>
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/REAGAN_HEALTH?SITE=ARCON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


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So say goodbye to the man who ruined America. Oh well....


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Let's be fair. If Reagan "ruined America"--some would say it was "ruined" long before Reagan and others would say it hasn't been "ruined" at all. Or, some would say he had plenty of help.<p>[ June 07, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]</p>


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OK, true, Phil. But as a union loyalist I can never forgive what he did to the unions in this country.<p>But that's beside the point. I guess part of my testiness arises from the fact that this thread exists at all. I would not find it at all interesting that a 93-year-old man who has been seriously ill for at least 10 years is dying, or at least interesting enough to have my ear to the ground in quest of "rumors" about it. <p>As you said, when he dies, AP will let us know. Until then, frankly, I don't give a shit.


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Well, for me it means "start thinking about the layout of Monday's obit page"...


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I'm delighted to hear that Australian papers would relegate Ronnie's death to the standard obit page. Would that it were so here.<p>Never been in a union, but I'm with Bumf.<p>[ June 05, 2004: Message edited by: Matthew Grieco ]</p>


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In case you're getting stories saying Bonzo's less talented co-star "has" Alzheimer's, a reminder from alzheimers.org:<p>Today, the only definite way to diagnose AD is to find out whether there are plaques and tangles in brain tissue. To look at brain tissue, doctors must wait until they do an autopsy, which is an examination of the body done after a person dies. Therefore, doctors must make a diagnosis of "possible" or "probable" AD.


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I updated our Reagan information last night after a coworker called in. We lost much of what we had saved in a hard-drive crash last month. I would argue, regardless of politics, a former president's death is always page one news.


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Three dozen reporters and television cameras clustered across the street from the Reagans' mansion but there was nothing to be seen beyond the gate and the long driveway that led to the hidden home. (AP)<p>***I wonder what they expect to see.***<p>[ June 05, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]</p>


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Patty, Ron and Michael fighting over the will in the driveway.


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... And it's official.


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President Reagan Has Died, a Family Friend Says (4:51 p.m. ET)


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tom mangan:
Now Reagan's spokespeople are saying nothing's changed. False alarm apparently.<hr></blockquote><p>You have to wonder what possible reason the "spokespeople" had to lie.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Chriss:
I updated our Reagan information last night after a coworker called in. We lost much of what we had saved in a hard-drive crash last month. I would argue, regardless of politics, a former president's death is always page one news.<hr></blockquote><p>I'm with you, Chris. Thanks for saying so.


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Breaking news: CNN, AP says Reagan has died.


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It is page one news, of course. My not giving a shit is just my personal feelings about that asshole.


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Let the inane "Gipper" headlines begin.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>From the NY Times web site:
In his first term in the White House he restored much of America's faith in itself and in the presidency.<hr></blockquote><p>
I will not speak ill of the recently departed, but I will speak ill of the living when they write unsupportable pap like this.


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Do I smell a Banned for Life entry?<p> The WashPost quotes Kerry as saying: "He was our oldest president, but he made America young again."<p>And the NY Times piece has this passage:
He was America's oldest president and in some ways its youngest when he came to the White House in 1981,


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From the NYT's Tolstoy-length obit:<p>"Like a modern-day Joshua at the battle of Jericho, Mr. Reagan lived to see the Berlin Wall come tumbling down."


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tom mangan:
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I will not speak ill of the recently departed, but I will speak ill of the living when they write unsupportable pap like this.
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Personal feelings aside, I don't think it's necessarily unsupportable. There are a hell of a lot of people out there who will tell you that Reagan was great because "he made us feel good about ourselves as Americans." I have known more than my share, unfortunately.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
OK, true, Phil. But as a union loyalist I can never forgive what he did to the unions in this country.
<hr></blockquote><p>This is what I was talking about, Bumf, when I encouraged you to get over some stuff from a long time ago. It's been two decades. Really, I mean, who was president back then? <p>I've been a proud member and leader in two unions, but we can't blame any one leader for the state of our own organizations or the movement at large.<p>[ June 05, 2004: Message edited by: jjmoney62 ]</p>


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Well, Jim, that's true. But even old lefties like me need scapegoats.


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Wonder how many editors let through the references
to Reagan losing a "battle with Alzheimer's." That's a one-sided battle, of course, and to say someone "lost" it is cruelly redundant.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by jjmoney62:
<p>This is what I was talking about, Bumf, when I encouraged you to get over some stuff from a long time ago. It's been two decades. Really, I mean, who was president back then? <p>I've been a proud member and leader in two unions, but we can't blame any one leader for the state of our own organizations or the movement at large.<p>[ June 05, 2004: Message edited by: jjmoney62 ]<hr></blockquote><p>In Bumf's defense, more or less, Reagan was not, on balance, a very good president. To pretend that he achieved some sort of greatness is to indulge in a fantasy worthy of Reagan himself. And this being a day of mourning, I say we limit our intake of vegetables to ketchup.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SeaRaven:
Let the inane "Gipper" headlines begin.<hr></blockquote><p>How about we pass on that one. The coverage should be extensive. This is a time time to reflect, regardless of personal opinion. (Mine gets hung up on the coat hook by the door when I report for a shift.)


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My Lord, in death Reagan has made them forget how to write. <p>This is on the NYTimes homepage:<p>As the news of the former president's death spread, reaction and tributes cascaded forth from the mighty and the common alike.<p>
Mighty and common alike? Like these are mutually exclusive? <p>It's gonnna be a long couple weeks if this keeps up.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lee:
Well, for me it means "start thinking about the layout of Monday's obit page"...<hr></blockquote><p>The big news of the day of course is Sydney 17.10 (112) St Kilda 11.10 (76).<p>Btw wouldn't you already have a tombstone page ready to go?


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Paul Wiggins:
<p>Btw wouldn't you already have a tombstone page ready to go?<hr></blockquote><p>A lot of papers will have had material "ready to go" but that doesn't mean everyone from the executive editor on down won't want to fuss with it. Also, many papers will run a lot more than a page.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
<p>A lot of papers will have had material "ready to go" but that doesn't mean everyone from the executive editor on down won't want to fuss with it. Also, many papers will run a lot more than a page.<hr></blockquote><p>Reading the times on this thread reminds of evil thoughts I had when working in previous roles, viz ''Die before deadline, you b--stard."


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>quote:
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Originally posted by Lee:
Well, for me it means "start thinking about the layout of Monday's obit page"...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<p>The big news of the day of course is Sydney 17.10 (112) St Kilda 11.10 (76).<p>Btw wouldn't you already have a tombstone page ready to go? <p> <hr></blockquote><p>Probably, and like everyone else, we'll probably go stupid with it. Happily, it's not my problem; didn't have to go in today...<p>Football, shmootball<p>The big news for me today was reading that Australia's first newspaper reporter/editor/copy editor/layout editor/typesetter/printer/delivery boy was a convict whose death sentence was commuted to life in an Aussie newsroom.


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Which raises the obvious riposte, though the Mercury newsroom is quite pleasant tonight, as usual.


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Jmcg has put it well, minus the hysteria I tend to introduce when speaking about Reagan.<p>On balance, he was a mediocre president. It never fails to amaze me when I see this clown referred to as a statesman of the first order.<p>And, as you know, once the heart stops, the hype increases. He will be viewed as the Second Coming
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Paul Wiggins:
<p>Reading the times on this thread reminds of evil thoughts I had when working in previous roles, viz ''Die before deadline, you b--stard."<hr></blockquote><p>A cynical colleague suggested that Reagan indeed had died at an inconvenient time Friday night or early Saturday and that the news was held back so as to get better airtime on TV.<p>I don't believe that, but it's fun to think about.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
And, as you know, once the heart stops, the hype increases. He will be viewed as the Second Coming
in a couple years.
<hr></blockquote> Coming next: the United States of Reagan.


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A touch of irony: Reagan died on the 36th anniversary of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, without which Reagan might well have not become president.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Oeditpus Rex:
A touch of irony: Reagan died on the 36th anniversary of Robert F. Kennedy's assassination, without which Reagan might well have not become president.<hr></blockquote><p>Not ironic, of course, but interesting, i'll grant you.


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Image<p>It's hard to believe sometimes. ("Thanks" to Newsdesignerfor wading through these.)


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Oh, God..you must be kidding...<p>Worst I have seen so far is Blanp's alma mater, the Schenectady Gazette: <p>Image<p>[ June 06, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]</p>


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Paul Wiggins:
<p>The big news of the day of course is Sydney 17.10 (112) St Kilda 11.10 (76).<p><hr></blockquote><p>
Powers that be thought so too.<p>
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
Oh, God..you must be kidding...<p>Worst I have seen so far is Blanp's alma mater, the Schenectady Gazette: <p>Image<p>[ June 06, 2004: Message edited by: blanp ]<hr></blockquote><p>Not nearly as bad as Richard Nixon at Charles de Gaulle's funeral: "This is a great day for France."


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by tom mangan:
Now Reagan's spokespeople are saying nothing's changed. False alarm apparently.<hr></blockquote><p>The last thing I heard (on CNN) Saturday was that Reagan's doctors were saying that he may have months or even just weeks left. Then, he was announced dead within the hour. Ah, Reagan. Dissembling to the end.<p>Now Friday is to be a day of national mourning. I think I'll mourn the fact that Reagan is going to be all but cannonized by the end of the week.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
It's hard to believe sometimes.<hr></blockquote><p>Beats "Goodbye Gipper." (I hope no one really used that.)


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I wanted to see "Bedtime for Ronzo."


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jackie:
<p>Beats "Goodbye Gipper." (I hope no one really used that.)<hr></blockquote><p>
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Good God. As much as I hated Reagan, a president's death does call for at least a shred of dignity.


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BULLETIN<p>A guy driving by our newspaper building tonight got off the highway exit and came into the security entrance to berate the guard because our flag was not at half-staff. An ugly incident ensued that involved about 15 people being called in order to "get permission" to lower the flag.<p>At last, the right person was reached and the guard lowered the flag to half-staff, which apparently is a complicated procedure here that involves climbing a rickety ladder (the guard weighs about 250 pounds and wears his hair in a mohawk with a two-foot ponytail at the back of the stripe).<p>All is well now.


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I'll mourn the fact that Reagan is going to be all but cannonized by the end of the week.
<hr></blockquote><p>Soviet leaders might have wished to cannonize him. His fans would have something else in mind.<p>(Did somebody say pedantic?)


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
BULLETIN<p>A guy driving by our newspaper building tonight got off the highway exit and came into the security entrance to berate the guard because our flag was not at half-staff. An ugly incident ensued that involved about 15 people being called in order to "get permission" to lower the flag.<p>At last, the right person was reached and the guard lowered the flag to half-staff, which apparently is a complicated procedure here that involves climbing a rickety ladder (the guard weighs about 250 pounds and wears his hair in a mohawk with a two-foot ponytail at the back of the stripe).<p>All is well now.<hr></blockquote><p>Moral of the story, in appropriately simple, Reaganesque words: Newspapers shouldn't
have flag poles.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
BULLETIN<p>A guy driving by our newspaper building tonight got off the highway exit and came into the security entrance to berate the guard because our flag was not at half-staff. An ugly incident ensued that involved about 15 people being called in order to "get permission" to lower the flag.<p><hr></blockquote><p>The guard should have thanked the man for his inquiry and left a message in the publisher's office. As soon as the incident escalated, he should have called the police.


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Phil:<p>How would you like a new job as chief of Homeland Security?<p>JMcG seems qualified to be your assistant.


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Phil:<p>How would you like a new job as chief of Homeland Security?<p>JMcG seems qualified to be your assistant.<hr></blockquote><p>None of this would be happening if Ed Maloney were still alive.


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From the LA Times:<p>At the End of Rawhide, Rainbow Goes Solo<p>(Rawhide and Rainbow were Secret Service names for Ronnie and Nancy, the story explains.) Gag.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Paul Wiggins:
Soviet leaders might have wished to cannonize him. His fans would have something else in mind.
<hr></blockquote><p>Yeah, yeah, yeah.......<p>I might want to stick my head in a cannon before the Reagan accolades fade away,<p>[ June 07, 2004: Message edited by: Jackie ]</p>


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All this actually has a good bit less to do with Reagan than it does with where this racket is at. The customer (or in these days, no, decades, of declining readership, the non-customer) is always right. If there's a complaint against us, there must be something to it. You think we were wrong, well, we must have been wrong. I suspect that had, say, Jerry Rubin died, and some aging post-yuppie type, in Ben and Jerry's tie-dye and with a scrawny pony tail to match, had shown up at the Daily Bugle demanding that the flag come down, it would have been lowered there, too.


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Dammit, Jim, that was Abbie Hoffman I did that for...get it right.


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No, he didn't.<p>---<p>[ June 07, 2004: Message edited by: SeaRaven ]</p>


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We had the Reagan story stripped across the top of 1A on Sunday, but by Monday we'd moved it to the bottom of 1A with refers to inside coverage ... I hope the executive editor doesn't disagree with my decision to play it that way (it's rare for "manager" types to be in the office on Saturdays and Sundays).<p>I guess I'll find out Monday afternoon (or before, if I get a phone call at 7 in the morning).<p>Gatekeeper<p>-30-


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Gatekeeper:
<p>I guess I'll find out Monday afternoon (or before, if I get a phone call at 7 in the morning).<p><hr></blockquote><p>What would be the point of his calling you at 7 a.m.? Would he expect you to go out and collect all the papers?


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Wee hee! Today is the first issue of the Leader, a 147,000 print run biweekly in two regional edition since Mr reagan's death, He doesn't get a guernsey. Which pleases me because a local angle would be ridiculous.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Paul Wiggins:
Wee hee! Today is the first issue of the Leader, a 147,000 print run biweekly in two regional edition since Mr reagan's death, He doesn't get a guernsey. Which pleases me because a local angle would be ridiculous.<hr></blockquote><p>Guernsey?


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It's an Aussie football expression. Means he doesn't make the line-up<p>[ June 07, 2004: Message edited by: Lee ]</p>


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I'll bet that kills on Wiggins' blog.


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A Google search for "didn't get a guernsey" (using the quote marks) turns up 42 links, almost all with .au web addresses. And, shamefully, four of those link to articles in major metro and regional dailies (including the paper which pays my wages).


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It was bad on the first day. It's mind-boggling on the second.<p>Image


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I was overruled. What can I say? Actually, the potentially mind-boggling thing is that this hed, on the second day yet, will have a very real chance of winning a prize in the company headline contest.<p>And that's in spite of the obvious problems with it to begin with, and the even more obvious problem that dozens...if not hundreds...of papers used the same hed the day BEFORE.<p>[ June 07, 2004: Message edited by: Bumfketeer ]</p>


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Hype? Cannonization? Just wait 'til the Republican National Convention this August.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:

What would be the point of his calling you at 7 a.m.? Would he expect you to go out and collect all the papers?
<hr></blockquote><p>It's tradition more than anything else, just to show that you've really done something to get her attention (usually in a negative way). In my six years at the paper, I've never gotten a 7 a.m. call (although I did once receive a 10:15 a.m. call).<p>Gatekeeper<p>-30-


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Some years ago -- within the past 10 -- in the local paper's "Newsmakers" quiz feature, RR was "Who Am I?" subject.


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If your boss ever calls you at 7 a.m., please give me her name, phone number and sleep schedule. Also, a list of noises that annoy her the most.


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From the NYT's web page: Weeklong Tribute to Reagan Begins at Presidential Library<p>The cutline: Nancy Reagan was comforted by Rev. Dr. Michael Wenning during a private ceremony at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif. <p>From the story (second graf): As thousands of people watched outside the library and presumably multitudes more on television, Mr. Reagan's widow, Nancy, followed the coffin into the library's lobby on the arm of a military escort. Mrs. Reagan and about a dozen relatives and guests sat near Mr. Reagan's coffin, which was draped in an American flag and surrounded by a military honor guard.<p>Does anybody edit the web page?


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SeaRaven:
Reagan remembered.<p>No he didn't.
<hr></blockquote><p>LOL! SeaRaven, I wanted to cringe every time I saw "Reagan remembered" on TV. I can't believe they're tracking every move the hearse makes. Oh, man, it's going to be a looooong week:
Reagan. Still dead. Day three.


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How much credit does he deserve for ending the Cold War? Is there an objective answer to this question?


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We have upset someone's sensibilities at American Digest, whatever that is:<p>Bad Americans<p>Behind the Scenes at the Nation's Newspapers: So how do the "grunts" of the newspapers, the copy editors, really feel about Ronald Reagan? This grubby little exchange -- Testy Copy Editors: y'all getting any Reagan rumors? -- includes a number of unfiltered comments, such as: "So say goodbye to the man who ruined America. Oh well...."<p>It gets worse, of course, but reading the thread is instructive in that it reveals the backstage carping and vindictive emotions that roil the souls of those trapped at the copy desks.<p>Especially illuminating is the fact that the same fellow who made the crack above, leads another thread with: "Curious how others here respond, if at all, when neighbors and other garden-variety assholes we come across in this life start clamoring about the 'liberal media.' "


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It is astounding to me that anything called "American Digest" would be outraged that anyone would dare criticize and ...shudder..actually dislike a former president.<p>Criticism and differing opinions...hey, no room for that in America!


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To me, being an honest broker of the news means being able to describe with equal respect what the death of Reagan means to old lefties and to those who think he should be on Mt. Rushmore. Where's the newspaper that can go there? The copy desk should challenge the Red State-Blue State mentality, not choose a side. Bumfketeer got busted for his primal lefty scream. I'm surprised it was over the air controllers; I'd have thought AIDS or Iran-Contra first. As an editor, I'd be skeptical of a reporter who had such visceral feelings about the subject of a story. What American Digest doesn't realize is that he was overruled anyway.


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Remember what we're here for: to keep stupid headlines and bad writing out of the paper.


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A task that, unfortunately, I failed at last night, as you see above. Hey, I tried.


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Speaking of bad taste, here's a sentence from The Washington Post about preparations in D.C. for all the dignitaries flying in:<p>The Ritz-Carlton this week will resurrect Nancy Reagan’s chicken salad, a favorite of the first lady.


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Remember what we're here for: to keep stupid headlines and bad writing out of the paper.<hr></blockquote><p>And to graciously step out of the way when either side -- liberal or conservative, who cares? -- chooses to hang itself.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
It is astounding to me that anything called "American Digest" would be outraged that anyone would dare criticize and ...shudder..actually dislike a former president.<p>Criticism and differing opinions...hey, no room for that in America!<hr></blockquote>Oh, those HUACy Americans...


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Gatekeeper:
If your boss ever calls you at 7 a.m., please give me her name, phone number and sleep schedule. Also, a list of noises that annoy her the most.
<hr></blockquote><p>Not to mention a knuckle sandwich.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer:
<p>Not to mention a knuckle sandwich.<hr></blockquote><p>Which reminds me of an office courtesy that folk here are obliging on. I do not want to engage in any degree of publishing post mortem until I have had my first cup of coffee. And will not. Thus the lack of prescription medicine.


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Washington was still scrambling frantically on Monday to prepare for the first presidential state funeral in more than three decades, an inaugural in reverse, pulled together in five days instead of 10 weeks. (New York Times)


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
what we're here for: to keep stupid headlines and bad writing out of the paper.<hr></blockquote><p>That has the ring of a "mission statement."


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
We have upset someone's sensibilities at American Digest, whatever that is:<p>Bad Americans<p>... but reading the thread is instructive in that it reveals the backstage carping and vindictive emotions that roil the souls of those trapped at the copy desks..' "<hr></blockquote><p>Um, is this a blog, or is it "Common Sense" as told to Hildy Johnson?


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SeaRaven, Bumfketeer:<p>Your offers are much appreciated! I'm quite happy that I've yet to get such a call, so I suspect it's nothing to lose any sleep over. (Well, until I wake up in a cold sweat at 4 in the morning, the nightmare of an imagined headline typo dancing in my head.)<p>Gatekeeper


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
We have upset someone's sensibilities at American Digest, whatever that is:<p>Bad Americans<p>Behind the Scenes at the Nation's Newspapers: So how do the "grunts" of the newspapers, the copy editors, really feel about Ronald Reagan? This grubby little exchange -- Testy Copy Editors: y'all getting any Reagan rumors? -- includes a number of unfiltered comments, such as: "So say goodbye to the man who ruined America. Oh well...."<p>It gets worse, of course, but reading the thread is instructive in that it reveals the backstage carping and vindictive emotions that roil the souls of those trapped at the copy desks.<hr></blockquote><p>I'd be insulted since this jerk hasn't a clue about my political leanings, but I'm still contemplating my soul being roiled. Sounds kind of kinky.


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I guess it makes me a xenophobic bad man if I'm shaking my head at the Newseum's endless display of "Xjiblocbovic Est Korkovich" headlines as much as I am at the "Mourning in America" ones.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lee:
A Google search for "didn't get a guernsey" (using the quote marks) turns up 42 links, almost all with .au web addresses. And, shamefully, four of those link to articles in major metro and regional dailies (including the paper which pays my wages).<hr></blockquote><p>Why the shame? This idea that papers shouldn't use good colloquial regional English is a nonsense. It enriches rather than weakens the language. Expression used here no more shameful than me explaining to a reporter that I didn't want to talk to Monday morning quarterbacks who hadn't read the play book.<p>
Macquarie says ... Guernsey 2 (lower case) a close-fitting vest or shirt, usually of wool, worn by fishermen, and formerly in Australia, by goldminers. 3. (lower case) Sport a distinctively coloured or marked top worn by footballers, especially the sleeveless variety worn by AFL [AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL LEAGUE, WHICH RUNS A SPORT SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW AS AUSSIE RULES THAT WE CALL AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL] . 4. (lower case) a jumper; pullover. phrase 5. get a guernsey, Colloquial a. to be selected for a football team. b. to succeed, win approval. [from the Isle of GUERNSEY1]<p>[ June 10, 2004: Message edited by: Paul Wiggins ]</p>


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