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 Post subject: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:09 pm 
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Sample paragraph:<p>"Participants in the Alaska State Games are mostly older citizens," director Rhett Butler said. Those who've played in the games before disagree.<p>Ignore all the other problems with the two sentences. Would you cap games in the second sentence or not? Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:13 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:16 pm 
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No. There are a few exceptions to this rule -- for example, I'd capitalize "Legion" on second reference for "American Legion" because it only refers to the organization; it's not the normal meaning of the word "legion." And AP style makes exceptions for "Series" and "Derby" on second reference for "World Series" and "Kentucky Derby," though I disagree with that.<p>But in the example you gave, I cannot justify a capital.


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:21 pm 
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No. If you use AP style, you can extrapolate from the Olympics entry:<p>Olympics Capitalize all references to the international athletic contests: the Olympics, the Olympic Games, an Olympic-size pool, but lowercase the games when used alone.<p>The Washington Post style is:<p>Olympics, the Games, the Summer Olympics, the Winter Olympics, the Summer Games, the Winter Games. <p>... although I can't imagine why.


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:11 pm 
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Thank you all. I still think it looks odd lower-cased but I bow to superior knowledge and expertise.


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 1:32 pm 
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AP's de-capping of the games is a fairly recent style change. In the 2000 stylebook, it was still the Games. But that wouldn't have applied to the Alaska State Games -- only the Olympic Games.<p>[ April 07, 2004: Message edited by: SeaRaven ]</p>


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
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Here's my understanding, so maybe I have it all wrong.<p>We initial cap Games if it's referring to the Olympic Games, because it's referring to one particular set of games. (And the Olympic Games people said so, I guess.)<p>In my comment, I am also referring to a specific set of games, the Alaska State Games. It seems like the same type of reference -- a particular set of games. So why have two different standards, one for the Olympic Games and one for everything else?<p>Perhaps it's not necessary to understand. Perhaps it's only necessary to follow the AP guide.


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:05 pm 
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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by blanp:
No. If you use AP style, you can extrapolate from the Olympics entry:<p>[b]Olympics Capitalize all references to the international athletic contests: the Olympics, the Olympic Games, an Olympic-size pool, but lowercase the games when used alone.
.[/b]<hr></blockquote><p>I didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up (and you, too, Searaven); I'll point that out to our style gurus.. Our stylebook has the Games (in ref. to Olympics), but I don't know if that was by decision or just repitition of AP style.


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<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by majorbabs:
In my comment, I am also referring to a specific set of games, the Alaska State Games. It seems like the same type of reference -- a particular set of games. So why have two different standards, one for the Olympic Games and one for everything else?<hr></blockquote><p>In some instances, the event is "special" enough to warrant the capitalization; i.e. "the Series." The Alaska State Games isn't in the same league. (No pun intended.)


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:24 pm 
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to echo the word of so many others: NO


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 Post subject: Re: To Cap or Not To Cap
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:44 am 
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We use "Games" on second reference for the California State Games.<p> http://www.calstategames.org/<p>[ April 08, 2004: Message edited by: ***me*** ]</p>


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