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kristinb	Post subject: finally ,the perfect place to post this. it's been both Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:50 am
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:01 am Posts: 3 Location: Valley of the Sun	from mediabistro's jim romenesko knock-off:<p>/--------- mediabistro.com 1-day workshop --------\ COPY EDITOR, HEAL THYSELF ***Workshops in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, D.C., and Seattle*** Learn how to solve language problems with confidence, how to win writers and editors to your side, why a one-size-fits-all-writers approach to copy doesn't work, and much, much more in this full-day workshop. <p>**what tells me this is taught by a writer who has never edited? by a reporter who refers to editors as 'rim chimps'? by a journalist who's never thanked an editor for saving his sorry ass? **<p>sorry, just had to get that off my chest. as you were.
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bwalsh	Post subject: Re: finally ,the perfect place to post this. it's been both Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:05 am
Joined: Mon Apr 29, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 138 Location: Washington, D.C.	<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by kristinb: **what tells me this is taught by a writer who has never edited? by a reporter who refers to editors as 'rim chimps'? by a journalist who's never thanked an editor for saving his sorry ass? **<hr></blockquote><p>Actually, no. What made you think that?
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SeaRaven	Post subject: Re: finally ,the perfect place to post this. it's been both Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:22 pm
Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:01 am Posts: 1112 Location: An undisclosed alpine meadow	There's that darned word again: actually. It's like everywhere. ---
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Phillip Blanchard	Post subject: Re: finally ,the perfect place to post this. it's been both Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:20 pm
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:01 am Posts: 8342 Location: Bethesda, Md.	The workshop is legitimate and the presenters are obviously qualified. I do note that the fee is a little steep; three people will probably get to go to the Testy Copy Editors International Conference for that kind of money.
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kristinb	Post subject: Re: finally ,the perfect place to post this. it's been both Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:09 am
Joined: Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:01 am Posts: 3 Location: Valley of the Sun	i'm all for editing workshops, but something about that 'one size fits all' just bothered me. no copy editor i know (who's any good) approaches every writer the same way. <p>i think that's one of the qualities that distinguishes an average editor from a good one. some writers need a heavy edit for everything from grammar to sentence casting; some can't put two words together to save their lives but are great reporters; some write and write and write but can't find the news if you lead them to it, and a good copy editor knows how to handle them all and leave the copy clean but still reading like the person that wrote it.
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nstockdale	Post subject: Re: finally ,the perfect place to post this. it's been both Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:21 am
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2003 1:01 am Posts: 281 Location: Dallas	But doesn't it say why a one-size-fits-all approach DOESN'T work?
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