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Bakelite · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2003 1:44 pm

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 20, 2003--The New York Times will begin tomorrow printing all headlines on page one and throughout the news sections in various versions of the Cheltenham typeface rather than the several different typefaces previously used.http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=NYT&script=411&layout=-6&item_id=460319Thank God they let us know in advance!

Phillip Blanchard · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2003 5:45 pm

An article describing the changes will appear in tomorrow's paper.***That'll be a gripping read.***

Bakelite · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 4:59 am

<blockquote>quote:<hr>***That'll be a gripping read.***[/QB]<hr></blockquote>Right here.

Phillip Blanchard · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:35 am

Â¶Bookman, a lighter-weight family, will be replaced by Times Cheltenham Book. Bookman remains the headline type for The Times's feature sections except the magazine, but the Cheltenham will replace it in the coming months.***I'm waiting to hear why it couldn't be done all at once.***

Phillip Blanchard · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:40 am

You have to admit that it's a radical change.

jjmoney62 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 6:48 am

the new font really breaks up the gray

Phillip Blanchard · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:04 am

If you're going to fiddle with the typefaces, just do it. It's not like we need a Miami Herald-esque map to find our way around the new Times front page.[ October 21, 2003: Message edited by: blanp ]

Bolder1 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:36 am

Good news...for readers. Bad news...for copy editors, because the switch to Cheltenham gives us less room to write the fabled "A" heads. Look for lots of little words.But overall, not bad. Not certain why we had to announce it, though. Seems like it's just an invitation for readers to gripe. As for why it can't be done all at once...our news sections are still on Atex, others are on bug-infested CCI; not sure what the mag. uses. It can be tricky to get the kerning and leading exactly right across platforms.

jjmoney62 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2003 12:45 pm

Designwise, I really like the Muhammad photo above the Congo story.

Phillip Blanchard · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:21 am

***Simple, yet ... simple.***

nstockdale · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:16 pm

It's nice to see them side by side. That way I'm able to tell that I like the old fonts better (not that there's much difference). The one exception is the change from Bookman Antique to Times Cheltenham Book, but I just have something against Bookman.I miss the sans serif, and that probably says something about me.

jjmoney62 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2003 6:29 am

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Nicole Stockdale:
I miss the sans serif, and that probably says something about me.<hr></blockquote>It does.

jjmoney62 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2003 11:06 am

.... but we love you anyway, Nicole.

Powderhorn · **Posted:** Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:42 pm

On the Times' site, they have this to say atop the image of the front page:"To reduce download time, this page has been scanned at a resolution that makes the headlines and photos legible but not the body type."Why the hell would they scan something created on a computer? (Sorry, just being testy.)

Rio · **Posted:** Sun Oct 26, 2003 12:27 am

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Pete Hahnloser:
On the Times' site, they have this to say atop the image of the front page:"To reduce download time, this page has been scanned at a resolution that makes the headlines and photos legible but not the body type."Why the hell would they scan something created on a computer? (Sorry, just being testy.)<hr></blockquote>I believe the quote from The Times answers that question.A bitmapped "picture" of the page is a graphic element that's a fraction of the size of the actual page itself, with its high-res art, PostScript fonts, etc.Is that what you mean?

Phillip Blanchard · **Posted:** Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:22 am

<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Bolder1:
As for why it can't be done all at once...our news sections are still on Atex, others are on bug-infested CCI; not sure what the mag. uses. It can be tricky to get the kerning and leading exactly right across platforms.<hr></blockquote>***OK, but why not just wait until everything is "fixed" and do it all at once. (I know that "CCI" and "fixed" don't go together well.)***

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