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tommangan	Post subject: Why wait? Vanguard.com wants you Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:23 am
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 485 Location: San Jose, CA	Tired sitting on the sidelines as the investment community takes our business apart piece by piece? Here's your chance for a front-row seat: Copy desk chief at Vanguard.com: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ACESjobs/message/2340
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Wayne Countryman	Post subject: Re: Why wait? Vanguard.com wants you Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:04 pm
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 1775 Location: Baltimore	That would be one way to keep an eye on my 401(k).
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subtle_body	Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:30 pm
Joined: Thu Nov 18, 2004 1:01 am Posts: 178 Location: DC	Quote: Employment is contingent on a successful drug-screening result ... Do any of your employers require a drug test? I haven't come across one yet in my career.
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dangermike	Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:43 pm
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:44 am Posts: 172 Location: Colorado Springs	I was drug-tested in Arkansas. My ex was tested in Palm Springs. My first newspaper job was part-time only, so I wasn't required to have a drug test. But they would have for a full-time gig.
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Wabberjocky	Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:46 pm
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:47 pm Posts: 1734 Location: Washington	Yep, I've had to pee in a cup for each of my last three employers.
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tommangan	Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:07 pm
Joined: Mon Apr 08, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 485 Location: San Jose, CA	I think I've done the pee test everywhere I've gone.
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TheWalrus	Post subject: Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:12 pm
Joined: Tue May 04, 2004 12:01 am Posts: 376 Location: Southern California	I was drug tested before being hired, as well. It turns up in job ads with enough frequency for me to think it's quite common.
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Heartodixie	Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:17 am
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:15 am Posts: 1432 Location: Alabamer	subtle_body wrote: Quote: Employment is contingent on a successful drug-screening result ... Do any of your employers require a drug test? I haven't come across one yet in my career. Wow. I was beginning to think the opposite. I've worked at two corporate cover-your-ass-focused places that required it. Really regret that I couldn't show some spine and refuse to work for a company that drug-tests journalists. I get more anti-drug by the day, but nothing justifies that intrusion.
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Docsdoctor	Post subject: Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:04 am
Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:01 am Posts: 575 Location: Mass.	From here Quote: # In a study of high tech industries, researchers found that "drug testing programs do not succeed in improving productivity. Surprisingly, companies adopting drug testing programs are found to exhibit lower levels of productivity than their counterparts that do not... Both pre-employment and random testing of workers are found to be associated with lower levels of productivity." Source: Shepard, Edward M., and Thomas J. Clifton, Drug Testing and Labor Productivity: Estimates Applying a Production Function Model, Institute of Industrial Relations, Research Paper No. 18, Le Moyne University, Syracuse, NY (1998), p. 1. # It is estimated that the United States spends $1 billion annually to drug test about 20 million workers. Source: Shepard, Edward M., and Thomas J. Clifton, Drug Testing and Labor Productivity: Estimates Applying a Production Function Model, Institute of Industrial Relations, Research Paper No. 18, Le Moyne University, Syracuse, NY (1998), p. 8. What's needed is testing for stupid management.
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Nessie3	Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:14 am
Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 3:03 am Posts: 1224 Location: Japan	Docsdoctor wrote: What's needed is testing for stupid management. They go by the honor system there, Docs, and take your word for it.
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paulwiggins	Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:37 am
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 12:01 am Posts: 3137 Location: Homebush NSW Australia	The company condemns itself. Ps: this condition doesn't pass muster on my watch: Your use of this site signifies that you accept our Terms and conditions of use.
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