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Phillip Blanchard	Post subject: Oh, shut up Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 9:23 am
Joined: Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:01 am Posts: 8342 Location: Bethesda, Md.	Mastering Motivation By Jill Geisler <p>Why did you come to work today?<p>I'm not kidding. Why? Was it for love of journalism, your organization, your boss? Do you feel respected and rewarded? Are you motivated to do good work today?<p>Motivation is a fascinating topic. (Poynter.org)<p> ***Can't prove it by that.***
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JasonC	Post subject: Re: Oh, shut up Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 2:55 pm
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2002 1:01 am Posts: 27 Location: Midland, Mich.	Why is it every time I hear someone talking about motivating, or bringing in a motivational speaker, I *immediately* think of Chris Farley bellowing about "a van down by the river"?<p>[ December 18, 2002: Message edited by: JasonC ]</p>
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dmfugitive	Post subject: Re: Oh, shut up Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:11 pm
Joined: Sun Apr 14, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 257 Location: back in D.M., funny enough	Money.
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motelfromhell	Post subject: Re: Oh, shut up Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 5:52 pm
Joined: Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 5	"Dr. Ink's" latest round of Poynter Porn here. I didn't think it could get worse than the sexy copy editor spiel, but alas, it has. Someone needs to shut him up, tie him down and administer a saltpeter IV. Then again, he'd probably enjoy that.
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jbm	Post subject: Re: Oh, shut up Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:00 pm
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2002 1:01 am Posts: 83 Location: New York	<blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica ,sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by motelfromhell: "Dr. Ink's" latest round of Poynter Porn <hr></blockquote><p>Unfunny. Unsettling. Unnecessary.
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Bumfketeer	Post subject: Re: Oh, shut up Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2002 12:59 am
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:01 am Posts: 3557 Location: Cusp of retirement, grave or both	Horseshit like that is what depresses salaries in this business. There is a perception among some publishers that we "love this work" so much that we would do it for nothing, or next to nothing.<p>We get into this because we like it, or can't do anything else, or whatever. Once here, we need to make a living at it. <p>This site's wonderful "Jobs From Hell" section provides a good reminder that some publishers actually expect us to come in and do this work for the mere satisfaction of it. Baloney. <p>Whenever anyone with a lick of authority or who knows anyone with a lick of authority starts talking such nonsense, the hidden agenda is this, friends:<p>We'd much rather you did this work out of love for it. We don't really want to pay you much for it.
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SusanV	Post subject: Re: Oh, shut up Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:32 pm
Joined: Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:01 am Posts: 1399 Location: In the newsroom	<blockquote><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica ,sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by jbm: <p>Unfunny. Unsettling. Unnecessary.<hr></blockquote> Amen. And the Geisler thing is worse. Why people pay them any mind is beyond me.<p>[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: SusanV ]</p>
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