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Baseball Topic: Eh
Rio
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:04 am
Replies: 2 5648
He deserves it. He was a consistent winner for years with mostly horrible teams (the '79 Pirates and '87 Twins nonwithstanding).Blyleven certainly was.
Baseball Topic: Eh
jjmoney62
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:25 pm
Replies: 2 5648
We've run Bert Blyleven through the wringer a few times here.
Baseball Topic: About time
Wabberjocky
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:38 pm
Replies: 5 3959
... year, before he falls off the ballot. His numbers trends indicate he'll make it next year. I personally would have voted for Gossage, Bert Blyleven , Alan Trammell and Tim Raines. Raines getting just 24 percent of the vote is ridiculous. He's the second-best leadoff man in history behind ...
Baseball Topic: About time
Redaktor
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:01 pm
Replies: 5 3959
... watching the mid-80s Cubs so I would be happy to see Dawson (who was past his prime by the time I was watching him) get in. It's a crime that Blyleven hasn't been elected -- but he got a pretty good jump in this round of balloting. Edited because I misread and thought Dawson had got in. ...
Baseball Topic: About time
jjmoney62
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:48 pm
Replies: 5 3959
... falling short (72.2%) was Jim Rice. Others who can't quite get there (and it wouldn't be a crime if they didn't: Andre Dawson (65.9%) and Bert Blyleven (61.1%). Two pitchers you can make a good case for came in 5th and 6th: Lee Smith (43.3%) and Jack Morris (42.9%). A moment of silence ...
Baseball Topic: Who's going to win it all this year?
wordygurdy
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:53 pm
Replies: 9 5731
... as easily as they do righties. The Red Sox' rotation has as many question marks as the Yankees', if not more (Will Josh Beckett challenge Bert Blyleven 's record for homers surrendered? Will Fat Curt make it through the season? Who's the No. 5 starter, and please don't make me laugh by saying ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
Vanderhoof Viking
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:43 am
Replies: 30 14289
Had Blyleven , Morris, or Gossage never changed teams (or not moved once they established themselves), they likely would have been voted in already. (Although Rice seems to go against this theory ...) Very good point, and ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
JeffW
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:26 am
Replies: 30 14289
... their entire career for the same team? I think voters and fans get warm fuzzy feelings for players they see as devoted to a single city. Had Blyleven , Morris, or Gossage never changed teams (or not moved once they established themselves), they likely would have been voted in already. (Although ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
wordygurdy
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:16 pm
Replies: 30 14289
... being penalized for having spent a good chuck of his effective latter-day career as a setup man in which he compiled few wins or saves. — Bert Blyleven is being punished for career-long below-average run support. — Jack Morris is being punished for his 3.90 career ERA, when ERA has been ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
Wabberjocky
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:28 pm
Replies: 30 14289
... penalized for having spent a good chuck of his effective latter-day career as a setup man in which he compiled few wins or saves. — Bert Blyleven is being punished for career-long below-average run support. — Jack Morris is being punished for his 3.90 career ERA, when ERA has been ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
wordygurdy
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:12 pm
Replies: 30 14289
... that he was always the No. 1 on whatever staff he was on and his 10-inning shutout in the '91 World Series add up to Hall of Famer to me. Bert Blyleven had 60 shutouts and ranked third all time in strikeouts when he retired. Hard to argue against those numbers when he pitched on a looooooooooooottta ...
Baseball Topic: Is it Bert Blyleven's time?
Wabberjocky
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:41 pm
Replies: 4 3624
But the reality is that if Blyleven had gotten even league-average run support throughout his career, he'd have between 310 and 320 wins. And he'd be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
jjmoney62
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:27 pm
Replies: 30 14289
... to say "Yeah, Sutter was a pioneer" is like saying "Sure, Babe Ruth introduced the home-run swat." I hope no one ever loses sleep over Bert Blyleven . Great curveball, decent pitcher, and a gold star for sticking around long enough to notch a lot of wins (and losses). And I would consider ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
Bumfketeer
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:51 am
Replies: 30 14289
... me a bias against recent players), I do enjoy reading about baseball history. I don't think McGwire merits Hall of Fame consideration. As for Blyleven , one thing I remember clearly about him could be a big strike against him. I was watching a Phillies game on TV, and they showed Blyleven ...
Baseball Topic: Is it Bert Blyleven's time?
Wayne Countryman
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:43 am
Replies: 4 3624
I've never felt strongly about Blyleven . Maybe he deserves more acclaim--and even Hall membership. I'm skeptical about over-reliance on stats. Does anyone get excited talking about the wondrous pitching of member Early Wynn, who stuck ...
Baseball Topic: Is it Bert Blyleven's time?
Wabberjocky
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:17 am
Replies: 4 3624
I say yes. Jayson Stark, long a naysayer, is finally on board: If Blyleven ever makes it to Cooperstown -- and he might, now that he's finally over 50 percent of the vote -- he'll owe it to men like Bill James, Rob Neyer and the bright statistical minds ...
Baseball Topic: McGwire and the Hall of Fame
Wabberjocky
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:51 pm
Replies: 30 14289
... both achieved the magic 3,000-hit threshhold and both had a certain media profile and presence. That's the biggest strike against, say, Bert Blyleven , who's likely to keep getting held out of the Hall, simply because he has 287 wins instead of 300 and wasn't a star as defined by sportswriters. ...
Baseball Topic: Down-ballot attractions
ADKbrown
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:34 am
Replies: 12 6621
... year. None is on your list. The first two are the obvious, Ripken and Gwynn. And as to the rest ... My other eight votes would go to Bert Blyleven , Dave Concepción, Andre Dawson, Goose Gossage, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris and Jim Rice. Rice, Gossage, Dawson and Blyleven are ...
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
Wayne Countryman
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:07 pm
Replies: 41 17080
... than some players already in--but that isn't a great recommendation. Better than others not in yet, like Mattingly or Jack Morris or Gossage or Blyleven ? It's all a matter of what you value in a player.
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
jjmoney62
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:19 pm
Replies: 41 17080
... But this year, I would have allowed in Sutter, Gossage, Jack Morris. I'm coming around on Andre Dawson. I still think Rice falls barely short. Blyleven , too (I equate him with Gaylord Perry and Don Sutton). And does anyone want to explain Lee Smith? He saved a hell of a lot of games and ...
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
Wabberjocky
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:10 pm
Replies: 41 17080
I'm among those who felt that Gossage should have gotten ahead of Sutter (but would have put Blyleven above both). However, Gossage — rightly or wrongly — is blowing it for him self by blasting off to anybody who'll listen: Here's one example : "You know ...
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
wordygurdy
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:02 pm
Replies: 41 17080
jjmoney62 wrote:
And Jack Morris is in line ahead of Bert Blyleven .
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
jjmoney62
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:42 pm
Replies: 41 17080
And Jack Morris is in line ahead of Bert Blyleven .
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
Wayne Countryman
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:08 am
Replies: 41 17080
... crashed into an outfield wall. Seemed bound for a Hall of Fame career.) Gossage and Smith were overpowering relievers for many, many years. Blyleven compiled high totals in career wins and strikeouts, largely through guile. None of these players was an attention-getter off the field or ...
Baseball Topic: Hall predictions?
Matthew Grieco
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:04 am
Replies: 41 17080
I would vote for Blyleven and Gossage. But I won't be too surprised if nobody makes it this year.
Baseball Topic: Get your ballots in
jjmoney62
Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 8:21 am
Replies: 14 7394
Lead the Royals in saves a couple of years and before you know it you're blowing past Bert Blyleven on the all-time innings-pitched list.
Baseball Topic: Get your ballots in
jjmoney62
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:37 am
Replies: 14 7394
... hall of famer.<p>** Dramatically changing the way the game is played -- and being unhittable for 5 or 6 years -- does.<p>Sutter's in. Blyleven 's not. <p>And I admit, Gossage is a bit of a sentimental choice, but he, too, was a monster out of the bullpen. It's good to see others ...
Baseball Topic: Get your ballots in
Matthew Grieco
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:00 pm
Replies: 14 7394
My ballot:<p> Wade Boggs Ryne Sandberg Goose Gossage Bert Blyleven (on the margins of HoF quality, but 22 effective seasons and fifth place all time in strikeouts does the trick for me. Longevity and innings pitched also count. Ranks 13th all-time ...
Baseball Topic: Other Hall-worthy players
wordygurdy
Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 3:23 pm
Replies: 20 10301
<blockquote><font size="1" face="TImes, TimesNR, serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bumfketeer: Bert Blyleven ? <hr></blockquote><p>Bert Be-Home-By-leven? I'm only 37, but I've never seen a better curveball (including that of Barry Zito) ...
Baseball Topic: Other Hall-worthy players
Bumfketeer
Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 7:37 pm
Replies: 20 10301
Baseball Topic: Is this hed a hit? (Nothing like copy editors discussing
Matthew Grieco
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:16 am
Replies: 95 57298
... might have. But voters have gotten more stingy in the past few decades, which I applaud. Although a few deserving souls have been left out (can't Blyleven get some love?) for the most part I welcome it in an age when America seems to lack standards in much of anything else. Especially now that ...
Baseball Topic: Is this hed a hit? (Nothing like copy editors discussing
jjmoney62
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:22 am
Replies: 95 57298
... is an even better example of a gold-watch hanger-on who is clearly not Hall of Fame material. I also don't have much passion for pitchers like Blyleven and Kaat. And then there's Hall of Famer Phil Niekro, who nearly lost as many games as he won, which is bad even for a member of a perennially ...
Baseball Topic: Is this hed a hit? (Nothing like copy editors discussing
wordygurdy
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:49 pm
Replies: 95 57298
... 488 doubles, 384 HR and 1,628 RBI.<p>Is Harold Baines perhaps the hitting equivalent of a Jim Kaat (288 wins) or a Bert "Be-Home-By-11" Blyleven (287 wins and 3,701 strikeouts)? I think Kaat and Blyleven should both be in. <p>I'd vote for Baines too.
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